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[TieSTo]

After a lengthy discussion, Capricorn is now banned for the rest of the tournament.

After going through alot of server data and suchlike, we was able to determine where she aiming when making the kills which were dubious to say the least.

http://www.n00bless....ges/stjohn1.jpg http://www.n00bless....ges/stjohn2.jpg
http://www.n00bless....mages/mark1.jpg http://www.n00bless....mages/mark2.jpg

Those screenshot show where Capricorn was aiming, so conclusive she was using the rgh/spectate cheat.

However I am still deciding the implications for the match this incident was in.

But anyway, I'd like to thank the various people who managed to sort the evidence out and clarify it. I'd like to state that if new evidence comes to light, proving Capricorn's innocence( and this applies to any other potential situations like this) I will look into it, but there is no guarantee of being unbanned.

That is all dudes.

Tiesto

[lazy5686]

Idk what to think tbh...

-Scruffers

[Papoose]

Still don't really believe it, but whatever... this "evidence" proves absolutely nothing.

[Hypnos]

It's a pity.

[Anonymous]

this doesn't make sense. what determined where i was shooting when the kills were made? and if i was cheating, why would i point at that big wall? also, there were 2 spectators that everyone knew about, why would anyone cheat with that? unless they'd want to get caught. your assumptions are completely not reasonable

the fact that i wasn't informed about anything and no one, other than a few people who were not involved with the investigation, didn't try to hear my side of the story, and the fact that these theories are based on strictly the screen shots and my location are all irrational.

i am going to say this one last time, i did not cheat
i had no reason to.

[Majid123]

;/ started to believe it was lag too

[masterkna]

;/ started to believe it was lag too

i still believe it was lag

[Mike]

Really? I bet you look up the coordinates of a few of everyones kills, the way they aim will be off by a little bit on nearly all of them. It is really pathetic you ban her based on the 'evidence' you provided here..

[liquidv2]

i don't believe they checked coordinates of anyone else's kills, they just checked hers and saw that they looked off and said it was concrete
i was going to ask Hex for the dll he made to check them so i could look at some stuff myself but he had already logged off irc when i got back

Hex, if you could send me that i'd appreciate it

[FlaminGnz]

Pity to see people complaining about the conclusions drawn when you dont have access to the evidence. Also a pity that we had to reach a guilty conclusion.

The evidence was indeed conclusive, contary to far-winded opinions.

- Hex, Raven and Ethenal all confirmed the coordinates given by the server FDS.
- Myself and Goztow confirmed there was no significant lag issues (as the server records kbps/ping info)
- 1 shot may have been attributed to 1 in a million lag ghost, but to shoot 3 people is too far
- Her shots were all impossible as the noobless players were standing under the HON floor, as i said even 1 shot would have been highly unlikely.
- The direction she was facing was not even close to the HON

As Tiesto said, any solid evidence disproving these points will surely be considered, but right now there is far to much to suggest the shots were not legit

There will definitely be repurcussions for the Jelly team, however Jelly will not be banned as a community, they will most likely suffer a small points penalty (as outlined in the rules)

thankyou and good luck to all in future games

[Mike]

You do realize that lag ghosts have absolutely nothing to do with lag on the players part or servers part right? It's a part of renegade, i see lag ghosts all the time in USA servers, i see them all the time in Euro servers. 1 in a million lag ghost? You're kidding right? They happen all the time. Like I said, you test the coordinates of other peoples kills, and I bet there will be other 'bullshit' kills, like people aiming away from players and still killing them.

[masterkna]

if the american players said there was lag, then there was lag, the n00bless players were standing in the center ramp of the hon, as proven by the ss's taken by ic3. and the direction she was facing would have been the hon if she had been further to the right if she had slid back to the coordinates the server had, i see no definitive proof here, sorry

[RadioactiveHell]

There is no question that she cheated.

I will briefly explain what happened. Capricorn was situated by the rock as shown in the screenshots. She fired three suspicious shots over the course of less than a minute, getting three kills. The people she killed were standing at the bottom of the Hand of Nod, repairing the MCT. She killed Col-ONeill, StJohn, and Col-ONeill again when he respawned. As Flamin said, there could have been one-in-a-million lag ghost to explain one kill, but three is impossible. The following IRC logs document the three kills.

[22:52] <&RGCT2Bot3> Capricorn killed Col-ONeill (GDI Havoc/Ramjet Rifle vs Nod Engineer)

[22:53] <&RGCT2Bot3> Capricorn killed StJohnGumby (GDI Havoc/Ramjet Rifle vs Nod Engineer)

[22:53] <&RGCT2Bot3> Capricorn killed Col-ONeill (GDI Havoc/Ramjet Rifle vs Nod Engineer)

What makes us 100% sure that Capricorn was cheating with spectate mode, a feature of RGH, is that she wasn't even facing the Hand of Nod when she made the three shots. In fact, she was facing the opposite direction, a characteristic of spectate mode. As Flamin said, Capricorn's coordinates were given by the server FDS and confirmed by Hex, Raven, and Ethenal, representatives from both communities.

The evidence is irrefutable, the admin team unanimously agrees, as do representatives from both communities. Capricorn was cheating.

[FlaminGnz]

yes mike im joking..

i live in australia, so you dont need to rant about lag to me. Id bet id have more problems than you would

the 3 kills by capricorn were all confirmed as impossible based on the coordinates of all players, we adamently beleive that the server was not undergoing significant lag issues (becuz we have access to the logs).

radio sums it up strongly. We have no reason/evidence to suggest what we have attained and verified by several knowlegable and well respected, unbias sources is incorrect

im quite happy for someone to show me something specific... but until then what we have now is conclusive

[Volcom]

Capricorn killed 3 players from the left side of the wall entrance beside the rock. These three kills happened within 1 minutes and 12 seconds. The only part of the hand she could shoot was the window. It happened that all three of those players were in the bottom of the hand and no where near the windows nor were they before that. Yes if it was one kill I could say lag would be an attribute but she made three kills in a little over a minute and I refuse to believe they were all lag kills. Especially when all three of them were in relatively the same spot in the bottom of the hand.

The spectate on the new RGH lets the user hover around the map and kill anything without being seen. The part that is detectable is that when you hit spectate the character that remains visible faces which ever way your character in spectate does causing the character to spin around and aim where you do. We took the coordinates on every kill she made. Not once was she aiming at the hand. As said before this has been confirmed by raven, ethanol, and hex. Please stop arguing about it because believe me we had a 5 page discussion on it and went of every possible scenario.

[Rcmorr09]

this doesn't make sense. what determined where i was shooting when the kills were made? and if i was cheating, why would i point at that big wall? also, there were 2 spectators that everyone knew about, why would anyone cheat with that? unless they'd want to get caught. your assumptions are completely not reasonable

the fact that i wasn't informed about anything and no one, other than a few people who were not involved with the investigation, didn't try to hear my side of the story, and the fact that these theories are based on strictly the screen shots and my location are all irrational.

i am going to say this one last time, i did not cheat
i had no reason to.

They don't care what your side of the story is, they know everything and you had to have cheated because of the direction you were pointing. They did not test the shot direction of anyone else so there could be obvious errors here. Also lets face it, you manged 28 kills the entire round sniping when there team was almost always basic infantry. If you can only manage 28 kills and 400 points the whole round using rgh then you must not know how to use the program or it could be LAG.

And about Jelly loosing points, if you look at the scores Capricorns point totals in no way affected the outcome of the games. And if you say "Hey rules are rules" well the person who posted one of the screen shots had a c4 skin.

[FlaminGnz]

yes the 3 things to come out of the game were:

- cheating accusation
- ICE's c4 skins
- Hitmans name change (aparently his name was blocked from entering but i dont understand why as it certainly isnt banned lol)

theye have all been discussed and are still being finalised and it will be based on the rules - not a perception of how much it affected the match

[Rcmorr09]

Well fair enough

[Papoose]

This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read in my life. I'm going to take screenshots of all my deaths from now on and make sure that every single one the person was facing directly at me according to the ingame coordinates on the log, and if their aimer is even one pixel off of my character I'm going to demand a ban from this tournament.

[FlaminGnz]

we are still discussing it between all parties, the public message was premature..... apologies on behalf of tiesto :S

if you really feel the need to comment, fine, but you dont know half the stuff, so until every channel is exhausted it isnt 100% confirmed

we are currently assessing some new information and have yet to determine whether it will help the current verdict

the original plan was to make it public by the weekend, and i still think by then we will know